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Dan Hochberg's avatar

Thought this article was worth reading though your critiques of it as a piece of writing may be good. For me the point that is most important is the subjective nature of experiencing the presence of God/the Holy Spirit/Heaven. Many people claim to experience this in corporate worship or while playing worship music privately or during whatever activity. And yes, I feel it too. But I would like to have objective knowledge regarding whether that's just a warm and reassuring feeling due to the music or genuinely the Presence of God. I suppose that if it were the latter I'd spend more time listening to worship music, which has it's moments for sure but generally I prefer other genres. I've seen people address this question skeptically or believingly and I think there's no definitive answer, becomes a matter of opinion.

It does seem somewhat ridiculous to put on worship music and paint a picture of Trump. I understand the Cyrus theory and suppose it's possible God is using Trump, though I am pretty skeptical there. And yes, Trump has done some very good things but some very bad as well. I'd have preferred a normal Republican. Though I'm not as negative about the Iran war as OP. Would be great for the people of Iran if their despotic regime were replaced by something better, provided that the human toll can be kept to a minimum. Though this effort could easily turn out very badly.

Corey McLaughlin's avatar

So many thoughts. You sent it, my phone pinged, now I'm trying to read it. If I get another hastily put together article like this though I'm blocking you. I like to know what people want to say, but no one should have to work this hard to figure it out honestly.

KEY QUESTION: So, where is the idolatry? Where are people worshipping the painting of Trump?

Or is the claim not idolatry but that because the woman painter claims she is guided by God's hands that she is equating her paintings with special revelation as divine inspiration? That's not a claim of idolatry then. And it's just note true.

She is clearly describing the subjective state of the worshipper, not the objective, canonical status of the resulting artwork. Seems like you are overlaying your problems with Charismatic theology onto her, basically, eisegeting the situation.

Can the woman not believe that God’s uses non-believers like Cyrus or Nebuchadnezzar to execute His will? And as an artist she may feel compelled by the Spirit to document or highlight a contemporary figure she believes is currently being used by God, without elevating that figure to a salvific status?

I'm not fan of what Macarthur called Charismatic Chaos either, but this isn't it unless we are missing some big reveal. Like, did someone dip it in gold and it's in a church where people dance around it slashing their wrists? That would have warranted a late night show up in my inbox post 100%.

Evangelicals in general and Charismatics in particular use the terminology, "God led me," "God told me," "God impressed upon my heart," etc. Yes the language can be problematic, no doubt. And yes people abuse the language for selfish ends or to manipulate people (I've had wives tell me God told them to get a divorce, or to be happy aka have an affair, or a single guy stalking a girl told me that God told him she would be his wife). Those are all fair game but you don't go after any of that. Your focus is "idolatry" of which there is none. And "inspiration" of which there is no semantic equivalent to theological inspiration of Scripture except what you read into it.

And...why is the article so confusing and hard to read? You have naked links instead of titles that are linked, lack of headers, subheaders, clarity. Opens talking about Iran war then says the article is not about Iran then ends talking about Iran. I think it's about Iran! I think you are frustrated that there is a group of People who commission Trump and see him as God's hammer of judgment and condone even applaud what he does and that irks you. Ok, well, write about that then.

Seems like you brain dumped some ideas, accidentally hit send, did not revise, and sent out a careless post that I am now reading when I'd rather be asleep. :) That's not your fault, I have compulsions lol.

You know you can just post this to AI and say, "As an expert essay writer make sure I have a clear intro, body, conclusion, supporting points, it follows a coherent flow, and makes sense." Then post. IMO.

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